HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN 1991 1202 PC REGPlanning Commission, City of Moorpark, California
Minutes of December 2, 1991
The regular meeting of the Planning Commission held on December 2,
1991 in the City Council Chambers. Located at 799 Moorpark Avenue,
Moorpark, California.
1. CALL TO ORDER
The meeting called to order at 7 :10 p.m.. Chairman Michael H.
Wesner Jr. presiding.
2. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Pledge of Allegiance led by Chairman Michael H. Wesner
Jr..
3. ROLL CALL
Present: Steve Brodsky, Christina May, Barton Miller, John
Torres; and Chairman Michael Wesner Jr.
Absent: None.
Other City Officials and Employees present:
Patrick J. Richards, Director of Community
Development; Kathleen Mallory Phipps, Associate
Planner; Charles Abbott, City Engineer; Dirk
Lovett, Assistant City Engineer; and Celia
LaFleur, Administrative Secretary.
4. PROCLAMATIONS. COMMENDATIONS AND SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS
Motion:
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Commissioner Torres moved and Commissioner May
second a motion to nominate Commissioner Michael
Wesner as Chairman to the Planning Commission.
Motion passed by a unanimous voice vote.
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Motion: Commissioner Miller moved and Commissioner Wesner
second a motion to nominate John Torres as Vice
Chairman to the Planning Commission.
Motion passed by a unanimous voice vote.
REORDERING OF, AND ADDITIONS TO THE AGENDA
The Director informed the Commission of a letter received
dated December 2, 1991 from (C.T.) Carlsberg Financial
requesting to continue their public hearing item to December
16, 1991.
Commissioner Brodsky inquired as to the reason for the request
to continue the public hearing item. The Director replied
that the applicant was requesting continuance for additional
review of staff's report and conditions.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
It was the general consensus of
minutes of November 4, 18, 21,
1991 with a request that these
Commission on Wednesday December
PUBLIC COMMENTS
None.
CONSENT CALENDAR
No items for consent calendar.
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the Commission to defer the
and 25, 1991 to December 6,
minutes be provided to the
4, 1991.
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9. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. ENTITLEMENT: RPD 91 -2
ZC 91 -1
Tentative Tract Map No. 4792
APPLICANT: Urban West Communities
PROPOSAL: The applicant is requesting a zone change
(ZC) from Planned Community (PC) to
Residential Planned Development (RPD) for
Tentative Tract Map No. 4792 which
represents the final phase of PC -3,
Planned Community 3. This subdivision,
known as the Villas at West Ranch, is to
construct 196 residential multi - family
townhouse units on approximately 11.64
acres (507,038 sq. ft.).
:LOCATION: The proposed development is located on
the Northeast corner of Countryhill Road
and Mountain Trail Street.
ASSESSOR
PARCEL NUMBER: 505- 012 -40
Associate Planner Kathleen Mallory Phipps gave the
presentation on the proposed development. Ms. Phipps
identified the issues of concern from the November 18, 1991
Planning Commission meeting. They were as follows:
1. The use of wood fencing on all individual patio units;
2. The number and phasing of homeowner associations within
the tract;
3. To resolve condition language regarding the road
connection over the Peach Hill Water Course;
4. To verify the type of internal drainage on the project
site.
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Chairman Wesner opened the meeting for public testimony:
Maury Froman, representing Urban West Communities, 520
Broadway, Suite 100, Santa Monica, CA. Mr. Froman identified
Vesting Tentative Tract 4792 RPD 91 -2 and ZC 91 -1 as being
consistent with approved Planned Community No. 3, General Plan
and Specific Plan, EIR, and subsequent studies and updates.
That the number of units requested are below the allowable
units proposed.
Mr. Froman read from a letter dated December 2, 1991 - Issue
Summary Sheet which identified Staff Item (of concern), UWC
Position, and UWC Recommended Action. They were as follows:
Wood :Fencing - adequate for private interior space as show in
the conceptual landscape plan and request the
conceptual landscape plan be approved.
Homeowner
Association - the applicant is not interested in combining
the individual associations into one and
request that it remain as proposed.
RPD -91 -2
Condition
No. 49 - Regarding the Peach Hill Water Course. UWC is
ready, willing and able to construct County
Hill as soon as an approval and permit given.
Although a maintenance agreement between the
City and County is still needed the applicant
can not comply with Condition No. 49 and
requested that the language stated as follows:
"Developer shall commence construction of the
northeastern extension of Countryhill Road
within 30 days of the City and the County of
Ventura having entered into a maintenance
agreement for the Peach Hill Watercourse and
related facilities, and having issued
necessary permits."
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Drainage - The same principle as the ribbon gutter design
will be implemented in this project to
facilitate drainage except that concrete is
being used on this tract instead of asphalt.
Tentative
Map Condition
No. 20 - In agreement with staff's proposal.
RPD -
Condition
No 52 - In agreement with staff's proposal.
RPD -
Condition
No. 80 and
81 - In agreement with staff's proposal.
Map
Condition
No. 28 &
RPD Condition
No. 25 -
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UWC does not agree to with staff regarding the
charge of $3,000 per unit at final map. UWC
did agree to the covenant as long as it is not
passed on to future homeowners, the basic
condition which is consistent with other
tracts in Planned Community No. 3. That the
following language be adopted:
"The applicant shall execute a covenant
running with the land on behalf of itself and
its successors, heirs, and assigns agreeing to
participate in the formation of an assessment
district or other financing technique
including, but not limited to, the payment of
traffic mitigation fees, which the City may
implement or adopt, to fund public street and
traffic improvements directly or indirectly
affected by the development. Tentative
mitigation fees shall be used for projects
such as, but not limited to New Los Angeles
Avenue. Crossing
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Guard - Since the EIR and traffic studies do not
warrant a crossing guard it is the opinion
that it is not the responsibility of the
applicant and that the condition be deleted.
Map
Condition
No. 23 - This condition would require that future
homeowners be required to participate in a
landscape assessment district for Mountain
Trail and Countryhill. UWC did not agree that
it was necessary because the CC &R's requires
the maintenance along the collectors adjacent
to the tract. Request that the condition be
deleted.
In summary Mr. Froman repeated that Vesting Tentative Tract
4792 RPD 91 -2 and ZC 91 -1 as being consistent with approved
Planned Community No. 3, General Plan and Specific Plan, EIR,
and subsequent studies and updates. That the number of units
requested are below the allowable units proposed.
Chairman Wesner reopened the public hearing. Testimony
received by the following:
Janet Gauger, 4015 Winterwood Court, Moorpark, CA. Ms. Gauger
said that last Wednesday evening she first became aware of UWC
intent to change the size and price of the proposed townhouse.
Ms. Gauger informed the Commission of many residents in
opposition to the proposal and identified 50 homeowners who
have responded in writing. Ms. Gauger read from a prepared
announcement.
"We would like to express our concern and displeasure of
proposed reduction in size of the townhomes to be built
by UWC. We realize that these are tough times for
developers, I would like to see UWC build homes that they
could sell but not if those homes have a negative impact
on the existing neighborhood.
'We are a family oriented neighborhood of home of 2,000 -
3,800 sq. ft. 1,100 sq.ft. townhomes are merely apartment
size. These small units will most likely be purchased by
singles or couples without children. Couples who have
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)rhood like out own, if UWC must
units to sell them try making each
1,500 - 2,000 sq.ft. and pricing
200,000. This would be more in
- ounding neighborhood while still
rdable. Having a singles couples
igh school, elementary school and
of a smart idea. This type of
:fety and drug problems for our
Lly size units are definitely more
refer a less dense complex, traffic
reatly increased due to the ooenina
of Arroyo West School. The new shopping center will soon
add to this. It is very difficult to make a right hand
turn and nearly impossible to make a left hand turn from
:Mountain Meadow Drive onto Mountain Trail during the
hours of 8:00 a.m. to 8:30 a.m. and 2:45 p.m. to 3:15
P.M. School children, bicycles, buses, and parents all
using the same road. 200 more units and 400 more cars
will be an additional unwanted burden. Stop signs or
stop lights will need to be installed at Mountain Meadows
and Cedar Springs intersections of Mountain Trail.
As homeowners we were aware that townhomes would be built
on this parcel and have no objection to townhomes. We
were assured that both townhome projects would be an
asset to our neighborhood. 1100 sq. ft. will not enhance
our neighborhood. Lets compromise, slightly larger units
1,500 to 2,000 sq.ft. will more likely be purchased by
families and provide a safer development source so near
our schools. Please keep Mountain Meadows a family
development."
Commissioner Torres inquired of Ms. Gauger whether UWC
provided a disclosure regarding the townhomes in the Mountain
Meadows area, and if she had previous knowledge to a previous
proposal to provide multi - family homes at the Sunny Glen
location which is now single family homes.Also whether there
was an implication as to the size cost of the proposed
townhomes.
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Ms. Gauger replied that UWC had met with some residents and
proposed a larger and high market price than currently
proposed.
Ann Merlino, 3994 Quailwood Street, Moorpark, CA. Ms.
Merlino stated that UWC new proposal would have a great impact
on the community, speaking as a real estate agent.
Ms. Merlino read a letter saying:
"It looks like we all made some mistakes in believing
that our homes were an investment. We homeowners have to
live with our wrong predictions of our economy, well UWC
should have to live with the same reality. We simply
must not let them change their commitment to build larger
:homes in the vacant area near the Quail Ridge and
Buttercreek Homes. If the market is not their at this
time, simply postpone the building of the promised homes
or do what other business have done to be more economical
in the building. They should not have the luxury of
:having the Planning Commission rectify their over-
estimation of the economy."
Another letter read:
"We were horrified to read that UWC would even consider
building low -cost apartment -type townhomes in the middle
of the expensive homes that were purchased and have spent
many dollars on upgrading.
If there was an incline that they would not be honorable
that they would build deluxe homes as they promised we
would not have purchased a Buttercreek home from them.
We know that apartment size homes as we would like to have it
rented but is proposed in an area were it is not justified -
not in Moorpark. The fact that townhomes were built prior and
all knew exactly what they were buying. For the Planning
Commission to consider the change in plans, and that Moorpark
does not need any investment type rentals, and is exactly what
the proposed units would become."
Commissioner Torres inquired of Ms. Merlino UWC provided a
disclosure regarding the townhomes in the Mountain Meadows
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area, and if she had previous knowledge to a previous proposal
to provide multi - family homes. Ms. Merlino said she had prior
information and documentation regarding the townhomes and only
aware of the South Village proposal.
Susan Laury, 4006 Winter wood Court, Moorpark, CA. Ms. Laury
opposed to the proposal, and in agreement with the previous
speakers. She went on to read a letter of opposition.
"To Whom It May Concern, I will be unable to attend the
meeting on 2 December 1991, but I am strongly opposed to
a high density development in this area. It is on a
principal access road to three schools and is heavily
traveled by children. I have personally witness two near
accidents involving youngsters on bicycle on Mountain
Trail. I am convinced that high density housing of this
:nature describe wall attract many new residents more
typical impaction and incentive to children, i.e. younger
couples and single people without children who are
unaware that the extra caution that may be exercised to
protect them. I believe that this development on the
scale indicated on this site is a prescription for
tragedy. It can not in due conscience be allowed.
,Signed by: Douglas I. Homes Jr."
Another letter:
"Moorpark Planning Commission, I don't must have children
in school that are on the Planning Commission. I have
:had enough of this building in Moorpark. Everything but
store or shops. I have to go to Simi or Thousand Oaks
almost to get everything. If this goes through my house
is up for sale. That was the whole reason we moved out
:here from Los Angeles. I had problems with UWC before
and it wasn't hard to believe that their trying to break
their promise. Signed by: Michael Masd
Commissioner Torres inquired of Ms. Laury if UWC provided a
disclosure regarding the townhomes in the Mountain Meadows
area, and if she had previous knowledge to a previous proposal
to provide multi - family homes. Ms. Laury said she had prior
information of homes behind the fire station and implied
townhomes as equally nice as home across the way.
Commissioner Torres asked what were the ideas of the up coming
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proposal for 254 multi - family units. Ms. Laury said if they
are the quality and size originally stated then there was
agreement in the proposed development.
Patti Smith, 12686 Countrymeadow Street, Moorpark, CA Ms.
Smith referenced the letter that was received by the
Commission at their November 18, 1991 meeting. Ms. Smith
stated that the initial concern of the proposed plan was that
it was not consistent with UWC verbal commitment to the
existing homeowners.
UWC told of the project being similar to the development of
the Mountain Trail townhomes and that the intent was that some
of the property owners of both projects to share some of the
recreation facilities.
The West Villas as currently proposed has substantially
smaller units and greater density, increase traffic problems,
and further complicated by the South Meadows Park, shopping
center, West Ranch Park, and 250 townhomes already approved on
the other side of Mountain Trail, remaining homes to be built
to the west and east, fire station.
Currently the only access is Mountain Trail and Countryhill
are exits to the proposed project and is a potential for an
extreme and unwarranted congestion in this area of the City.
She requested that the Planning Commission address the design,
size and number of units.
Other concerns related to on -site guest parking and since the
units are small residents would tend to use the garage space
for storage or a extra room and would use the guest parking
for their own purpose and there is no provision for
overflow.The traffic exiting on Mountain Trail will be
potentially dangerous. Considerations should be made to a 4
way traffic signal for the benefit of all. The light at
Tierra Rejada would not help negotiate and additional 200
units and shopping center traffic.
That right turn only movement should be considered for the
exit on this project onto Countryhill, because of it's
proximity to the school exit.
The issue of wood fencing has been an issue, especially with
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the Wallows HOA. The wood siding deteriorates sooner and need
repair. Regarding inter streets they are proposed to be very
narrow.
UWC provided the HOA a presentation of the current proposal on
November 11, 1991 one week prior to public hearing and they
indicated that the price range would be $160,000 to $190,000
selling price range. Upon an inquiry to the sales office of
UWC, price range was quoted at $130,000 to $150,000 and
available in 10 months and would offer government loans,
specifically FHA insured.
Ms. Smith agreed with the developers concept of making money,
but that it was not a good business practice to mislead the
people who helped make it for the developer along the way.
Many homeowners who did receive the public hearing notice and
that were not present are assuming that UWC would built the
same quality product that had been previously promised said
r Ms. Smith.
Commissioner Torres inquired of Ms. Smith how the proposed
information was provided to her. She responded, at the
November 11, 1991 meeting.
William Marlatt, Winterwood Court, Moorpark, CA. Opposed to
the multi- family townhomes for the following reasons:
1. Traffic congestion problems that already exist without
the completion of approved development;
2. Emergency vehicle traffic circulation;
3. Will devaluate the existing single family homes;
4. Crime related to high density;
5. Settling problems which currently exist and have not been
remedied;
Karen L. Douglas, 11733 Chestnut Ridge Street, Moorpark, CA.
Ms. Douglas explained to the Commission that she was not an
original homeowner in the area and has been unaware of the
current and existing proposals of UWC.
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She addressed her concerns to traffic, children safety,
bicyclist and those who disregard or are irresponsible with
their driving.
That childless couples who are not going to be concerned about
in the area and consider it just a place where they reside.
The project as proposed is not even large enough to start a
famil=y.
Her concern was the type of people that would be attracted to
the development because of the pricing, she predicted a drug
problem because of the potential impact of schools. This
proposal would be a disruption of her family life, she said.
H. Russel Douglas, 11733 Chestnut Ridge Street, Moorpark, CA.
Mr. Douglas stated that the appeals of the residents that
spoke, were emotional appeals to the Commission. He asked of
the Commission what is the criteria to repeal the current plan
proposed. Chairman Wesner said that the current method of
residents addressing the decision making bodies was proper.
Commissioner Torres stated that the current and existing
proposals were all a part of the conception of Planned
Community No. 3. Mr. Douglas was unclear whether by proposing
the current multi - family development and keeping within the
requirements of the City whether any changes could be made to
the proposal as it exist.
Chairman Wesner explained to Mr. Douglas that there is a
factual plan and staff and the land owner have been working
towards the completion of Planned Community No. 3. However it
is required that public hearing be held to receive comments
whether factual or emotional it will have position on the
proposal. Chairman Wesner confirmed the comments receive and
the issues relating to traffic and safety.
Rick Predmore, 11764 Chestnut Ridge Street, Moorpark, CA. Mr.
Predmore's concerns related to property values. That $250,000
townhomes on the adjacent properties were implied during
purchase.
His point was that high density was inappropriate for traffic
as it exist.
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Commissioner Torres inquired of Mr. Predmore, what kind of
implications were perceived during the time of purchase. Mr.
Predmore responded simply that the proposed townhomes would be
in the price range as South Village.
Randolph M. Riley, 1176 Chestnut Ridge Street, Moorpark, CA.
Mr. Riley explained his reasons for moving into the Mountain
Meadows area. By the response of adjacent property owners, it
was a family oriented community. Mr. Riley talked of the
relationship between high density and single, college student,
renters, decreases property values, and attracts those who are
not concerned with family styles. Strongly opposed and said
it was inconsistent with the existing single family units.
Commissioner May commented that the comments received by
residents expressed an existing problem of traffic circulation
problems. Mr. Riley confirmed Commissioner May's statement by
saying that this problem exist without the recently approved
townhomes and commercial area approved.
Commissioner Torres informed Mr. Riley of the intention to
condition the applicant to provide crossing guards at
Count:ryhill Road and a stop light at Mountain Trail and Tierra
Rejada Road.
Krist:y Predmore, 11764 Chestnut Ridge, Moorpark, CA. Ms.
Predmore confirmed the traffic problems that currently exist.
Opposed to the one bedroom proposal. She was concerned with
crime, the safety of school age children, property values, the
quality of people attracted.
Commissioner Torres inquired if Ms. Predmore was informed of
the proposal during the time of purchase. She responded, "not
really".
Janis Isaac, 11691 Chestnut Ridge Street, Moorpark, CA. Ms.
Isaac confirmed the statement that the townhomes would be a
certain size in order to maintain the value of the
neighborhood. Other concern related to safety, children and
crossing guards. She explained that she talked with Ken who
replied there was no need for a crossing guard at Mountain
Trail and Mountain Meadows.
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Other concerns related to the value of the existing homes in
10 months; emergency access; parking; and asked whether the
decision had already been made on the proposed project.
Chairman Wesner explained the development process of a Planned
Community. The Chair also inquired of Ms. Isaac whether she
had examined or the site plan to determine recreational
facilities.
Commissioner Torres confirmed Ms. Isaac statement from UWC as
to the quality and size of the townhomes compared to a
Huntington Beach development. Ms. Isaac and Commissioner
Torres discussed the proposal in relation to design,
circulation, size and property values.
David Layland, 11520 Flowerwood Court, Moorpark, CA. Mr.
Layland expressed the same traffic concerns and mention that
he had previously talked with the traffic engineer on the
project. That the recommendation of the Traffic Engineer was
not to put a stop sign at Mountain Trail because traffic would
back up. Mr. Layland concern was the safety of the children.
Mr. Layland expressed his concern with the number of units and
not the intended proposal.
Haldum Arin, 11678 Chestnut Ridge Street, Moorpark, CA. Mr.
Arin confirmed his opposition to the proposed development. He
answered Commissioner Torres question, "how do reconcile
quality with size ". Mr. Arins answer was price, "What do you
get for $130,000 these days ?"
Mr. Arin referenced the City Seal and said that with all the
development projects coming before the decision makers it may
be appropriate to reflect what it has brought to Moorpark
(i.e.
development, smog, traffic congestion etc.) in the City Seal.
Mr. Arin echoed the same concerns as the previous single
family home owners. He requested staff to explain what
Planned Community changed to Residential Planned Development.
The Director proceeded to explain that a PC referred to
Planned Community and that it was nothing more than a holding
designation, no entitlement, no grant to do anything
commercial, industrial or residential.
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The PD refers to Planned Development and is before the
Commission and specifies number of dwelling units, where,
type, landscaping. in order to proceed the project is zoned
to the specific density, "dwelling units per acre ". It is a
process that starts with a holding- zoning and later determined
and changed to a specific zoning.
Commissioner Torres questioned Mr. Arin of how he became aware
of the townhome development. Mr. Arin said, "Johnny and
Sheri" provided him with the information.
Keith F. Millhouse, 12417 Willow Grove Court, Moorpark, CA.
Mr. Millhouse informed the Commission that although he was not
directly affected, however he stated that he was very
concerned about the type of development.
Mr. Millhouse stated that although many of the residents were
aware of the multi - family units being proposed but were
unclear of the size, type, design and dollar amount. That
even though there had been a mass of confusion he felt that
UWC has been a respective and reputable builder in the area.
He suggested that UWC compromise and consider the concerns
reflected by the existing homeowners and how it will be
reflected in the coming years from now.
Don Sobel, 4035 Winter Wood Court, Moorpark, CA. Mr. Sobel
reiterated the information received by the sales people of
UWC. In reference to wood fences he said that after 2 years
it has deteriorated.
Regarding the safety issues expressed earlier Mr. Sobel said
that because of the existing traffic problems he has rerouted
his traffic pattern when he leaves Moorpark.
Mr. Sobel requested the Commission confirm that no matter what
decision the Planning Commission determines on the proposal
the City Council could overturn their decision. Chairman
Wesne:r responded by saying that the Planning Commission role
is to make recommendation to the City Council.
The Director affirmed the Chairman statement and said that a
Planning Commission resolution would go before the Council
with the Commission's specific recommendations as addressed
before them at this hearing.
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Bill Bustamante, 3900 Timberview, Moorpark, CA. Mr.
Bustamante question if the dollar value of the proposed
development is put in the approved plan? Chairman Wesner
replied that there is no control to determine how the dwelling
units are priced. Mr. Bustamante asked whether governmental
agencies have any input to the value of the structures being
built. Chairman Wesner said, "only if the government agency
is controlling the financing or there is a interest on the
land ".
Commissioner Torres question if Mr. Bustamante was informed of
the multi - family units. Mr. Bustamante replied Johnny and
Sheri.
Judith M. Pierce, 11912 Silvercrest Street, Moorpark, CA. Ms.
Pierce shared some of home owner experiences as a home owner
and townhome owner. Referencing the San Fernando Valley high
density, traffic circulation, and air quality.
Ms. Pierce talked of the Palmdale area and a low cost
development which has deteriorated
Kath McCunney, Representing Valcon Engineering, 72 Moody
Court, Thousand Oaks, CA.
The Chairman requested that the public speakers provide their
petitions to the Recording Secretary.
Public hearing closed and recess was called at 9:14 p.m. The
Commission reconvened at 9:30 p.m.Mr. Froman restated the
multi - family proposal. He referenced a Mountain Meadows
disclosure and said that each of the property owners are
requested to initial and sign a Mountain Meadows disclosure.
He read the disclosure to say:
"As originally conceived community is divided into three
villages and each of those are several different types,
i.e. single family, townhouse, and apartments.
The developer reserves the right to build different
housing types within the density and other restrictions
imposed by local zoning and development ordinance and
codes."
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Commissioner Torres questioned Mr. Froman, "What was the
reason for North Meadows Village change from multi family to
single family units ?" Mr. Froman replied that it was a
project that was thought to be right at the time but UWC
reversed their decision, an economic decision.
Commissioner Miller asked if UWC staff questioned their sales
people regarding the property owners statements. Mr. Froman
said :yes, that the had met regarding the first plan.
Commissioner May reaffirmed that the density level in South
Village and West Village is the same. Mr. Froman said that it
was a combination of the "C" density and the "D" density, both
densities exist within each other.
Commissioner Brodsky commented for the record that 7 Homeowner
Associates for one residential multifamily development was
ridicules.
Commissioner May asked if there was any consideration to a
street between the shopping center and the proposed use. Mr.
Froman said that the project is better served as proposed and
that there was no interest in the reconfiguration. The
Director commented that if a street was proposed it would have
3 intersections in the area.
Commissioner's Brodsky and Wesner discussed the on -site
driveways as proposed. The Director said that it was common
among the design in townhomes.
Commissioner Brodsky commented that the project as proposed
could not be considered without the surrounding property
owners statements previously made.
Commissioner Torres commented that the South Village concept
be applied to the West Village multifamily proposal to provide
135 dwelling units, and eliminate the one bedroom units.
By general consensus of the Commission staff was directed to
meet with the Urban West Communities on the following
concerns:
1. That one homeowners association be provided for the
entire proposal.
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2. That wood fences be eliminated and replaced with
wrought iron.
3. That a crossing guard be provided by the applicant.
4. That RPD Condition No. 25 and Tract Condition No.
28 remain as recommended by staff.
5. That Condition No. 49 remain as recommended by
staff.
That staff also prepare a resolution recommending approval
based on the recommended modifications. That staff also
prepare a resolution of denial based on the unmitigated
concerns addressed.
Motion: Commissioner Miller moved and Commissioner Torres
second a motion to continue the matter to the
Planning Commission meeting of December 16, 1991.
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Motion passed by a unanimous voice vote.
B. ENTITLEMENT: Vesting Tentative Tract Man Nos.
4785 and 4786
APPLICANT: C. T. Financial, a General
Partnership by Carlsberg Financial
Corporation
PROPOSAL: The proposed tentative Tract Maps
are for large lot subdivisions which
correspond to the approved land use
designations of the Carlsberg
Specific Plan. Vesting Tentative
Tract Map No. 4785, which consists
of the northern portion of the
Specific Plan, contains
approximately 206.49 acres. This
subdivision contains the following
lots:
Planning Commission, City of Moorpark, California
Minutes of December 2, 1991
Page -19-
Vesting Tentative Tract Map No. 4785
Lot No. Acres Land Use Zoning
.Lot
1
28.0
Sub -Reg. Commercial
CPD
.Lot
2
25.0
Business Park
M -1
Lot
3
2.5
Commercial Restaurant
CPD
.Lot
4
11.0
Sub. Reg. Commercial
CPD
:Lot
5
23.0
Residential
RPD-2u
:Lot
6
23.0
Residential
RED-3u
:Lot
7
6.5
Park
0 -S
:Four
Open
Space Lots
Open Space
O -S
'Jesting Tentative Tract Map No. 4786, which consists of
'the southern portion of the Carlsberg Specific Plan,
contains approximately 287.56 acres. This subdivision
contains the following lots:
Vesting Tentative Tract May No. 4786
.Lot
No.
Acres
Land Use
Zoning
.Lot
1
25.0
Residential
RPD-5u
:Lot
2
21.5
Residential
RPD-3u
:Lot
3
4.0
Institutional
RA
.Lot
4
3.0
Institutional
RA
:Lot
5
20.6
Proposed School
FWD-3u
:Lot
6
55.0
Residential
RPD-lu
;Five
Open
Space Lots
Open Space
O -S
]LOCATION: The proposed subdivisions project site is
located on approximately 497 acres of
land in the southeastern portion of the
City of Moorpark.
The cities of Thousand Oaks to the south
and Simi to the east are located
approximately six miles from the project
site. The site is bounded by New Los
Angeles Avenue and Arroyo Simi to the
north, Spring Road to the west, Tierra
Rejada to the south, and the Moorpark
Freeway (State Highway 23) to the
east.
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Planning Commission, City of Moorpark, California
Minutes of December 2, 1991
.ASSESSOR'S
PARCEL
NO(s).: VTT4785: 500- 35 -15, 500- 35 -33, 512 -15-
60, and 513- 05 -11. VTT4786: 500 -35 -034
and 500 -35 -041
This item was continued to December 16, 1991.
10. DISCUSSION ITEMS
None.
11. STAFF COMMENTS
:None.
12. COMMISSION COMMENTS
None.
13. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS
.None.
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Planning Commission, City of Moorpark, California
Minutes of December 2, 1991
Page -21-
14. ADJOURNMENT
'There being no further business the Planning Commission
meeting adjourned at 10:40 p.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED
/2 -1 9i BY:
Celia LaFleur, Recording
Secretary
Chairman:
i
ael H�. JeMifir Jr. '
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